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Melody  11 feb 2022
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Find the largest prime number p such that when 2012! is written in base p, it has at least p trailing zeroes.

 

The answer is 43 because 43^2 is the biggest squared prime number that is less than 2012!

 

I did work this our logically but BUT I will admit that it may be difficult for me to show this logic.

I will try

 

Say the number was not 2012! Say it is what ever number factorial that will work if

p is 2

       1*2*3*4 = 1*2*3*2*2 = 3*2*2*2   this will have 3 trailing zeros when written in base 2 (there is no version with only 2 trailing zeros)

        so if p=2 then it would have to be factorial 4.          Note that 2^2=4

Try p=3  

        I need the smallest factorial (X!) where X! written in base 3 has at least 3 trainling zeros. So I need at least 3^3 = 27 to be a factor

        1*2*3*4*5*6*7*8*9 = 1*2*3*4*5*2*3*7*8*3*3 = 3^4 * 2*4*5*2*7*8  = 9!

         when 9! is written in base 3 there will be 4 trailing zeros .. It is imposible to have only 3

 

Try p=5     

        I need the smallest factorial (X!) where X! written in base 5 has at least 5 trainling zeros. So I need at least 5^5  to be a factor

        1*2*3*4*5*6*7*8*9*10* ..... 25 

         = (Some integer without 5 as a factor)* 5*1*   5*2  *  5*3  * 5*4  *  5*5

         = (Some integer without 5 as a factor)* 5 *  5 *  5* 5  *  5*5

         = (Some integer without 5 as a factor)* 5^6

         when 25! is written in base 5 there will be 6 trailing zeros .. It is imposible to have only 5

 

 

Let me try and explan the general version.

Let the number be p

Consider  this      
\((p^2)!=1*2*......1p.......*2p........*(p-1)p.....*(pp) \\ (p^2)!=1*2*...1*2* ...*(p-1).....*p^{(p-1)}.....*p^2\\ (p^2)!=(\text{An interger without p as a factor}).....*p^{(p-1)}.....*p^2\\ (p^2)!=(\text{An interger without p as a factor}).....*p^{(p+1)}\\\)

 

Back to the original question

Find the largest prime number p such that when 2012! is written in base p, it has at least p trailing zeroes.

\(\sqrt{2012}\approx 44.8\)

The closest prime number less than 44.8 is 43

So  p=43

 

 

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Lets check

\(2012! = \text{(Some integer that does not have 43 as a factor)}*43*2*43*3*43 *..........42*43*43*43\\ 2012! = \text{(Some integer that does not have 43 as a factor)}*43^{42}*43*43\\ 2012! =\text{(Some integer that does not have 43 as a factor)}*43^{44}\\ \text{When written in Base 43        2012! will have 44 trailing zeros.}\)

 

 

What about if p=47, maybe it will work too?


\( 2012! = \text{(Some integer that does not have 47 as a factor)}*47*2*47*3*47 *..........42*47\\ 2012! = \text{(Some integer that does not have 43 as a factor)}*47^{42}\\ \text{When written in Base 47        2012! will only  have 42 trailing zeros.}\\ \text {so Base 47 will definitely not work} \)

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13 may 2019